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Post by sarossell on Oct 28, 2020 3:06:33 GMT -5
Can't for the life of me get the lb5x64-351.app running on Catalina 10.15.7.
When I try to run the app directly, I get "VisualWorks quit unexpectedly."
When I try using ./lb5x64-351.app/Contents/MacOS/vm lb5alpha64.im in terminal logged in either as me or root, I get "Segmentation Fault: 11".
:@(
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Post by Carl Gundel on Oct 28, 2020 7:04:18 GMT -5
Can't for the life of me get the lb5x64-351.app running on Catalina 10.15.7. When I try to run the app directly, I get "VisualWorks quit unexpectedly." When I try using ./lb5x64-351.app/Contents/MacOS/vm lb5alpha64.im in terminal logged in either as me or root, I get "Segmentation Fault: 11". :@( Hey Scott! Sorry about that but don't worry. This is a known problem. Apple did some sort security patch for Catalina which broke 351 (and some other people's software) but and this be remedied.
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Post by sarossell on Oct 28, 2020 10:33:26 GMT -5
Hey Scott! Sorry about that but don't worry. This is a known problem. Apple did some sort security patch for Catalina which broke 351 (and some other people's software) but and this be remedied. Thanks for the warm welcome and kind words! I'm understandably anxious to get back in the saddle with LB 5. Is there a temporary workaround for the Mac? Or do we have an ETA estimate for the next LB 5 version update? :@)
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Post by Carl Gundel on Oct 28, 2020 11:40:48 GMT -5
Hey Scott! Sorry about that but don't worry. This is a known problem. Apple did some sort security patch for Catalina which broke 351 (and some other people's software) but and this be remedied. Thanks for the warm welcome and kind words! I'm understandably anxious to get back in the saddle with LB 5. Is there a temporary workaround for the Mac? Or do we have an ETA estimate for the next LB 5 version update? :@) I will try to provide a workaround for 351 this weekend. What model of MacBook are you using BTW?
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Post by sarossell on Oct 28, 2020 11:53:07 GMT -5
I will try to provide a workaround for 351 this weekend. What model of MacBook are you using BTW? Oh, dang! Sorry. I didn't mean to shoot flaming arrows at your feet. I just figured there might be some Mac policy poke to make it behave again. I'm running on a mid-2015 MacBook Pro.
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Post by Carl Gundel on Oct 28, 2020 11:59:56 GMT -5
What model of MacBook are you using BTW? Oh, dang! Sorry. I didn't mean to shoot flaming arrows at your feet. I just figured there might be some Mac policy poke to make it behave again. I'm running on a mid-2015 MacBook Pro. Those are nice machines, better in some ways than the model that replaced them if you ask me.
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Post by sarossell on Oct 28, 2020 13:06:26 GMT -5
Those are nice machines, better in some ways than the model that replaced them if you ask me. I agree completely. That's why it's my daily driver. I've had to replace the keyboard twice from shear excessive use and the right side ports stopped working recently, but it's still a workhorse. I tried installing Catalina 10.15.2 in a new partition, but I couldn't get LB 5 running there either. Do we know the best last functional combination of OS and alpha version that worked? :@)
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Post by Rod on Oct 29, 2020 3:52:38 GMT -5
I was browsing the computer store yesterday. the iMac looks amazing, but so much to learn by an old Windows user.
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Post by sarossell on Oct 29, 2020 10:12:19 GMT -5
I was browsing the computer store yesterday. the iMac looks amazing, but so much to learn by an old Windows user. Including Mac in your life is a bit like trying caviar for the first time. It's expensive, but elegant, and looks like it might be more trouble than it's worth. And once you try it, you either like it or you don't. I was forced to learn Mac for a job. I hated it. But I very quickly realized that every task I had to do with a Mac took one-tenth the time of the PCs and one-twentieth of the Linux machines. I also realized that the Mac users were WAY happier than the PC folks. Over time (and it took a couple of years), I began to see the "Apple way". I started to naturally choose Apple over anything else to get tasks done. And I was a hardcode Windows XP man! I used XP up until 2014! Now, I can't imagine working with anything else as my daily driver. I have definitely drunk the Apple Kool-Aide. I work with Linux here and there, but I haven't touched a Windows machine since Windows 7 unless I absolutely had to. 7 and 8 didn't impress me. Windows 10 is better, but without some serious upgrading, it still looks like AOL back in 1992. And don't even get me started about the forced upgrades and reboots! Once you go Mac, you never back! (for most people). You just gotta take the plunge. The easiest and cheapest way is to install Sosumi on a Linux machine, tweak it for your specific hardware and you've got macOS running near bare-metal through qemu. Give it a shot. That's free! :@)
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Post by sarossell on Oct 29, 2020 12:21:16 GMT -5
I was browsing the computer store yesterday. the iMac looks amazing, but so much to learn by an old Windows user. The thing about learning Mac is that if you're thinking hard about how to do something, you're either doing something you shouldn't be doing or you're doing it wrong. Everything is easier with Mac. Period. If you ask yourself, "What would a twelve year old do? That's probably the right answer." That's not to say that Macs are simplistic or less powerful. On the contrary, it's more like having a polished chrome nuclear missile, but with intentionally simple controls to keep you from accidentally setting it off. :@)
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Post by Rod on Oct 29, 2020 12:49:06 GMT -5
My first experience was fifteen years ago when UK schools were given Apple Macs and my wife, a teacher, brought one home. She wanted help making it do what it was supposed to do. Being a Windows man I failed, nothing worked as I expected.
The kids left school armed with their Apple Mac knowledge and were thrown into a Windows business world! But that's a UK story. We might have been better off continuing with BBC BASIC!
No, I jest, BBC BASIC was fantastic but even less well known in business.
I do recall being amazed to recruit a very few folks that had experience of Windows and software like DBaseIII. A few dedicated tutors in College giving their pupils little gems of knowledge.
I am an iPhone convert so we will see if can take that to the desktop.
I read I can dual boot, so Windows can tag along.
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Post by sarossell on Oct 29, 2020 13:12:48 GMT -5
I read I can dual boot, so Windows can tag along. Dual boot is a very workabe option, yes. Personally, I prefer to use Parallels to run both at the same time. :@)
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Post by Chris Iverson on Oct 29, 2020 13:47:07 GMT -5
You can dual-boot if you buy a Mac soon, and possibly only if you're paying attention.
Apple is moving away from Intel x86-based chips to their own completely custom ARM-based processors, and will transition most, if not all, of their new Mac product line to the new processor.
That means no boot-camp to dual-boot Windows, since there isn't a Windows ARM. (Well, yet, but Microsoft is actually making strides towards one.)
Existing x86-based Mac applications should continue to work, as Apple will (for now) include a bridge to allow the old code to run on the new processor(Rosetta 2, named after the Rosetta backwards-compatibility layer they made for OS X back when they first transitioned away from PowerPC TO x86 processors.)
You'd still be able to virtualize and use Windows in a VM, but that might take a performance hit since the processor now has to emulate the x86 code, not just run it directly while trapping the OS-level stuff.
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Post by sarossell on Oct 29, 2020 13:56:09 GMT -5
You can dual-boot if you buy a Mac soon, and possibly only if you're paying attention. Apple is moving away from Intel x86-based chips to their own completely custom ARM-based processors, and will transition most, if not all, of their new Mac product line to the new processor. That means no boot-camp to dual-boot Windows, since there isn't a Windows ARM. (Well, yet, but Microsoft is actually making strides towards one.) Existing x86-based Mac applications should continue to work, as Apple will (for now) include a bridge to allow the old code to run on the new processor(Rosetta 2, named after the Rosetta backwards-compatibility layer they made for OS X back when they first transitioned away from PowerPC TO x86 processors.) You'd still be able to virtualize and use Windows in a VM, but that might take a performance hit since the processor now has to emulate the x86 code, not just run it directly while trapping the OS-level stuff. Good points. As for the ARM Macs, unless they prove absolutely Earth-shattering, I'll wait a good couple of years before I dive into that. Of course, I drive a five year old MacBook Pro because it was the last model that had a proper video card, four core i7, and a decent keyboard, that could also be upgraded. I have yet to see a computer come out of Apple since then that I actually wanted. Well, maybe the 16" MacBook Pro now that they got the keyboards figured out. But not for three grand! I am curious to see how the ARM chips handle x86 virtualization. There hasn't been much reliable press about it yet.I suspect we're in a for a mild surprise. :@)
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Post by donnybowers on Nov 5, 2020 22:10:10 GMT -5
You can dual-boot if you buy a Mac soon, and possibly only if you're paying attention. Apple is moving away from Intel x86-based chips to their own completely custom ARM-based processors, and will transition most, if not all, of their new Mac product line to the new processor. That means no boot-camp to dual-boot Windows, since there isn't a Windows ARM. (Well, yet, but Microsoft is actually making strides towards one.) Existing x86-based Mac applications should continue to work, as Apple will (for now) include a bridge to allow the old code to run on the new processor(Rosetta 2, named after the Rosetta backwards-compatibility layer they made for OS X back when they first transitioned away from PowerPC TO x86 processors.) You'd still be able to virtualize and use Windows in a VM, but that might take a performance hit since the processor now has to emulate the x86 code, not just run it directly while trapping the OS-level stuff. Good points. As for the ARM Macs, unless they prove absolutely Earth-shattering, I'll wait a good couple of years before I dive into that. Of course, I drive a five year old MacBook Pro because it was the last model that had a proper video card, four core i7, and a decent keyboard, that could also be upgraded. I have yet to see a computer come out of Apple since then that I actually wanted. Well, maybe the 16" MacBook Pro now that they got the keyboards figured out. But not for three grand! I am curious to see how the ARM chips handle x86 virtualization. There hasn't been much reliable press about it yet.I suspect we're in a for a mild surprise. :@) I'll be watching this. I've never liked Mac very well, but if they switch to ARM chips and they perform well I may just get one. I like the energy efficiency of ARM technology, but Android is too quirky and it's becoming more and more intrusive it seems. Of course it's made more for phones, but I have a few smart boxes laying around that I've played around with a little, plus using them for TV. My next thing with the Android box will be installing an ARM version of Linux on it just to see how it performs. I found the Raspberry Pi pretty quirky too, but maybe the newest one with the new Ubuntu on it might be more stable. For now I'm sticking with Linux. I've found it to perform better than any other operating system I've used. It has it's little quirks too, but the overall experience is just so much better than Windows. I've only used Mac at work and didn't really use it that much, but at the time (about 20 years ago) I didn't care that much for it.
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