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Post by rnbw on Apr 7, 2018 4:12:21 GMT -5
The LB Conforums site states that there is a link to it from the new proboards.com site. I can't find it. It's it not available yet?
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Post by Rod on Apr 7, 2018 4:35:45 GMT -5
I don't see any link stating that, since it is closing what would be the point? If you are referring to the content then that's work in progress. There is some debate. The forum history is vast and full of a lot of garbage and old code that has in the past generated more confusion than assistance. So how to cherry pick? It isn't the same as porting a recent forum with fresh up to date code. We also have the LBPE and Community Wikis which host help on nearly every aspect of coding with Liberty BASIC. So as I say, work in progress.
But help is immediately available by posting a question here.
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Post by Admin on Apr 7, 2018 5:31:45 GMT -5
The LB Conforums site states that there is a link to it from the new proboards.com site. I can't find it. It's it not available yet? Can you link to the conforums page that states there will be a backlink from this forum to that one?
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Post by Admin on Apr 7, 2018 6:06:00 GMT -5
Perhaps you are talking about this line from an email sent out by Carl. "we are hard at work migrating the vast content of the Conforums forum to the new Proboards forum, so you will still be able to come and search the messages for hidden gems."
To be clear, we will not attempt to add the entire 16 years of content from the old board to this one. The post count there is 99975! Nearly one hundred thousand posts would be way too many. We'll do our best to keep all of the "good stuff" from the wikis and forum posts available, but as Rod wrote, "Help is immediately available by posting a question here."
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rnbw
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Post by rnbw on Apr 7, 2018 10:34:56 GMT -5
Sorry, I clicked onto a conforums site that is linking to its old site. I understand I'm not allowed to mention it here. But if that site can do it, why can't LB?
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Post by Rod on Apr 7, 2018 11:02:46 GMT -5
I have already said that we are beginning to question whether it is a good idea to link at all. We could, we have all the data, it seemed important once. But less so now. A fresh start founded on the substantial resources within the LBPE is getting more votes. But we shall see, no decisions taken yet and no rush to do so.
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Post by cundo on Apr 7, 2018 11:02:52 GMT -5
Sorry, I clicked onto a conforums site that is linking to its old site. I understand I'm not allowed to mention it here. But if that site can do it, why can't LB? I don't understand... Why linking the old forum? Is going to go away soon.
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Post by Admin on Apr 7, 2018 11:08:46 GMT -5
I have already said that we are beginning to question whether it is a good idea to link at all. We could, we have all the data, it seemed important once. But less so now. A fresh start founded on the substantial resources within the LBPE is getting more votes. But we shall see, no decisions taken yet and no rush to do so. Well said.
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rnbw
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Post by rnbw on Apr 7, 2018 11:28:48 GMT -5
Are you confident that LBPE will cover the wealth of information provided by the old LB Conforums?
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Post by Admin on Apr 7, 2018 11:36:43 GMT -5
Are you confident that LBPE will cover the wealth of information provided by the old LB Conforums? Yes. And LBPE is being moved intact right now. It simply takes time and work... a lot of work. We appreciate your patience as we go through this difficult transition. It was a blow to learn that Wikispaces was closing, and even more of a blow to hear about Conforums. The LBPE continues on Wikispaces and will be there for a while. If there is a subject you feel is important, by all means start a post on the appropriate board. That will help flesh out our new home and put down a good base of information for our members.
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Post by rnbw on Apr 7, 2018 14:09:19 GMT -5
To be clear, we will not attempt to add the entire 16 years of content from the old board to this one. The post count there is 99975! So you are quite happy to lose 16 years of content. Yes some probably not worth keeping, but a great deal is and the job of cherry-picking the good from the bad is enormous. Many of the contributors probably no longer follow LB, but that doesn't mean that their contributions have no value. I have found it most useful to search and view content, which I didn't find on LBPE. It isn't just the code, it's the arguments and discussion that are put forward that are useful. Knowing why someone has done something helps considerably in understanding the code. If it is easy to link to the conforums site, as has been done by BBC Basic, then it would make sense to do so. It reduces the work to be done and maintains access to 16 years of postings. It is very short sighted to just throw it out of the window. However, if that is how little you value the contribution of members, then go ahead.
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Post by cundo on Apr 7, 2018 14:20:44 GMT -5
What? ConForums will disappear, not the content of the old forum... Why linking to a forum that doesn't exist? I don't understand that for real. I can't understand what is going on here, this thread, sorry.
Edit: Who is throwing what? I don't get it.
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Post by Admin on Apr 7, 2018 14:50:00 GMT -5
To be clear, we will not attempt to add the entire 16 years of content from the old board to this one. The post count there is 99975! So you are quite happy to lose 16 years of content. Yes some probably not worth keeping, but a great deal is and the job of cherry-picking the good from the bad is enormous. Many of the contributors probably no longer follow LB, but that doesn't mean that their contributions have no value. I have found it most useful to search and view content, which I didn't find on LBPE. It isn't just the code, it's the arguments and discussion that are put forward that are useful. Knowing why someone has done something helps considerably in understanding the code. If it is easy to link to the conforums site, as has been done by BBC Basic, then it would make sense to do so. It reduces the work to be done and maintains access to 16 years of postings. It is very short sighted to just throw it out of the window. However, if that is how little you value the contribution of members, then go ahead. If it were easy, it would already have been done. Nowhere does it say that we are happy to lose 16 years of content. If we did not value the contributions of members, we would not be working so hard to preserve as much as we can. The staff here are all regular people. We volunteer our time, our resources and our money to provide the best community and the best resources we can manage. Conforums announced the closure just over a week ago. Please give us time to sort this out. While we sort it out, how about you start a new post sharing some code or info, asking a question, or stating an idea?
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Post by Rod on Apr 7, 2018 16:53:36 GMT -5
We value all members contributions equally, no wait!, we value some less than others. Since you continue to ignore the reasons and thoughts of others and since you continue to challenge as you have done in the past, my patience wears thin.
You have no real interest in Liberty BASIC and you have no real interest in this community. You are just pettily trying to spoil the community efforts. I think most folks see you for what you are. You have never contributed anything to the community in the past, you have never valued anything the community has provide in the past, so I find it laughable that you now wish to "preserve" it.
One more unsupportive contribution and I think the community could do well without your presence.
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Post by Chris Iverson on Apr 7, 2018 17:13:58 GMT -5
To be clear, we will not attempt to add the entire 16 years of content from the old board to this one. The post count there is 99975! So you are quite happy to lose 16 years of content. Yes some probably not worth keeping, but a great deal is and the job of cherry-picking the good from the bad is enormous. Many of the contributors probably no longer follow LB, but that doesn't mean that their contributions have no value. I have found it most useful to search and view content, which I didn't find on LBPE. It isn't just the code, it's the arguments and discussion that are put forward that are useful. Knowing why someone has done something helps considerably in understanding the code. If it is easy to link to the conforums site, as has been done by BBC Basic, then it would make sense to do so. It reduces the work to be done and maintains access to 16 years of postings. It is very short sighted to just throw it out of the window. However, if that is how little you value the contribution of members, then go ahead. We will not be losing anything. We have multiple copies of full dumps and scrapes of the LB Conforums, and I for one will be glad to provide access to the raw data to anyone who wishes it. The problem is just that: the data is RAW. It's not an an easily-usable format. We will not be hosting a directly-scraped full HTML mirror of the original ConForums site, as doing so without written permission from the ConForums legal team is a violation of copyright law. Excluding user-generated content(posts, messages, profiles, etc), everything on those forums(design, HTML code, layout, scripts, etc) is copyrighted to, and belongs to, ConForums themselves. Them shuttering the site is no excuse to ignore that. In addition, we did not have a policy covering copyright of user-generated content on our Conforums-hosted site, and therefore, we technically need to seek permission from the original authors of any content before posting it elsewhere. While I doubt anyone would actually mind us putting copies of the data somewhere, the point is they could. You'll note that we have a rule now that states that all user-generated content submitted is explicitly licensed under the CC-BY-4.0 license, as well as the footer of every page saying as much. This will cover us for new content on this site. It is not retroactive, even if we went back and added that to the rules at the old site. These are all issues that will need to be discussed and resolved before we make any decisions on how to officially publicize the old data. Personally, I'm hoping to put together a self-made frontend for the user-data dump that ConForums has been kind enough to provide us with. That will let us side-step the ConForums code issue, and should I be able to create such a thing, I would also make it easy for any user to request that their content be withheld from the mirror.
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