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Post by David Drake on Jan 12, 2024 14:20:25 GMT -5
I'm so glad to see that the forum is still going strong! Liberty BASIC will always be my sentimental favorite.
By the way, the Liberated Code Foundry has closed as of the end of 2023. I was getting so little activity that the cost wasn't justified. I still have all of my old code and projects if the need ever arises.
Cheers, all!
David Drake
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Post by Carl Gundel on Jan 12, 2024 14:44:11 GMT -5
I'm so glad to see that the forum is still going strong! Liberty BASIC will always be my sentimental favorite. By the way, the Liberated Code Foundry has closed as of the end of 2023. I was getting so little activity that the cost wasn't justified. I still have all of my old code and projects if the need ever arises. Cheers, all! David Drake Hi David. Good to hear from you. Sorry you needed to shut down your LB site. I'd be happy to host your content on the Liberty BASIC site under www.libertybasic.com/libcodedfoundry or similar. What do you think? -Carl |
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Post by Rod on Jan 12, 2024 15:46:26 GMT -5
We have had this issue time and again. Most recently the French support forum closing. A centrally funded “Club” that allows the long term storage of all things BASIC might avoid all of the “sudden” closures and loss of resources we have suffered.
If members paid a subscription to access resources and examples, even if their interest and subscriptions waxed and waned the resource might persist.
Relying on individuals financial support and hosting has proved problematic.
I for one would love to have David Drakes contributions accessible. But how to make that accessible both financially and much more importantly discoverable.
One resource, one depositary, one stop Liberty exploration.
Discussion perhaps?
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Post by atomose on Jan 13, 2024 13:20:45 GMT -5
Good evening, It is true that Rod highlights a real problem that I had mentioned (perhaps clumsily) on the forum. Liberty Basic is disappearing from the internet... I started discovering this language 12 years ago now and I have been passionate about it since my first lines. Unfortunately, all the forums or sites that talk about or share information about it are disappearing one after the other. Today, apart from the official LB and JB forums, it's quite difficult to find help or code examples. I'm not throwing stones at anyone, a forum takes time to manage and it's not free when you want quality but I think it would be important to rethink LB's communication if you don't want this to go away before version 5 is released. A centralized library like JB archive would be really great. Many here have incredible skills and manage to create amazing software... yet they don't see any code (it's their choice). I like the native ideology of the internet: free and unlimited sharing of information. I find this important. When I started with JB, I had a clear idea of what I wanted to do but I didn't have the skills or the syntax to do it and if I hadn't had help old ones and pieces of code to understand, maybe I wouldn't be here today. We need to move forward and think about new members. Make them want to join us, to be interested in JB/LB. For my part, I have been looking for almost 12 years now for all the codes that could help in this language. I am therefore sharing with you the library which includes more than 530 codes that I managed to save from old forums which have now disappeared. I hope this helps some and motivates others. LIBRARY IS HERE (click on "download" and "normal download") LB is truly one of my favorites in programming and I hope that in 10 years we will still be on this forum. (For Rod's idea, a subscription of €1 or €2 per member (only if they want storage capacity) would be more than enough to cover storage costs.) EDIT : New library without Alyce Workshop, you can have it on the website alycesrestaurant.com/workshop.htm =) |
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Post by dan1101 on Jan 13, 2024 14:51:58 GMT -5
Thank you Atomose!!! I am speechless. I downloaded your library of code and it is astonishing. Hundreds and hundreds of programs: programming utilities and related tools, animations, graphics demos, editors, and scores and scores of working games from Chess to Dungeon Adventures. It unzips to a full Gigabyte of useful code, over 800 folders, over 13000 total files (including bitmaps and DLLs). It's going to take me weeks just to look through it all.
This is exactly the kind of collection that, if hosted here on the forums, or on a linked file hosting site, could spark a lot of engagement and site traffic, just exploring it all. Everything I have tried so far from your collection runs perfectly on my Liberty BASIC 4.5.1.
I for one would be more than willing to contribute toward the cost of hosting such an extensive collection of LB code.
And thank you again for sharing this remarkable collection. I am forever in your debt.
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Post by Brandon Parker on Jan 13, 2024 21:22:03 GMT -5
atomose,
Thanks for sharing, but please be cognizant of whether some of the items in the collection have been freely offered up to the world. There is at least one item in there that should not be distributed.
{:0)
Brandon Parker
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Post by atomose on Jan 14, 2024 4:04:07 GMT -5
Hi Brandon,
I honestly don't know everything that's there. I just saved the codes that I found interesting. If you find any code that should not be shared (if the owner doesn't want it) tell me the file names and I will make a new version of the library.
thx
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Post by Carl Gundel on Jan 15, 2024 10:00:28 GMT -5
I would love to host David's content and also anything legitimately from your zip file. Can we come up with some process for figuring this out? I will have a look at this when I have a chance but I'm sure that I won't have too much time to invest in it.
-Carl
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Post by Rod on Jan 15, 2024 11:58:09 GMT -5
Perhaps the Just BASIC file archive could be replicated but with a subscription.
Not my skill set. Stefan may have something to say. The Archive requires membership. If we could tie that into an annual subscription that would be near perfect.
If the host could be the wiki location and the subscription goes towards keeping that afloat then best of both worlds.
I think the wiki is funded by Stefan which is not sustainable in the long run.
So we need to find a way to get a subscription membership, a few dollars/euros a year. Enough to pay the storage and bandwidth for the wiki and archive and contribute to Carl’s development efforts.
I completely understand that Carl cannot single-handedly provide this resource. As a community can we? Because we really need it.
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Post by Carl Gundel on Jan 15, 2024 14:15:30 GMT -5
Perhaps the Just BASIC file archive could be replicated but with a subscription. Not my skill set. Stefan may have something to say. The Archive requires membership. If we could tie that into an annual subscription that would be near perfect. If the host could be the wiki location and the subscription goes towards keeping that afloat then best of both worlds. I think the wiki is funded by Stefan which is not sustainable in the long run. So we need to find a way to get a subscription membership, a few dollars/euros a year. Enough to pay the storage and bandwidth for the wiki and archive and contribute to Carl’s development efforts. I completely understand that Carl cannot single-handedly provide this resource. As a community can we? Because we really need it. I think we might want to make it a Patreon or other donation subsidized resource. If we lock it behind a paywall it will not be seen by search engines. |
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Post by Rod on Jan 15, 2024 15:08:46 GMT -5
I see, but the new wiki, this forum, your site would be free. Only the archive/club would be payable but it would/ could fund all else. We have been playing catch-up, repair, rescue for years as personally funded resources and the “free” wiki/ad boards have failed. Time for a more stable future?
In other models the income from the core sale is enough to support the community, Arduino,Pi but we are not at that critical mass. I believe we have many supporters who will understand the model and support the archive, being able to store graphics and code will enliven the community.
If you are reading this and use Liberty please tell us what you think.
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Post by dan1101 on Jan 15, 2024 16:05:11 GMT -5
An annual membership would work for me. I think it would only be sustainable if there were regular updates and new code added on an ongoing basis. Something like a featured "new program of the week" would keep people coming back regularly. If a member can download the entire catalog of programs in one go, there is no incentive to continue membership.
Archive.org has collections of hundreds of books of BASIC programs (all downloadable for free) which, with a bit of effort, can be converted to Liberty BASIC and added to the code library. I have already converted dozens of such programs for my own use that I have not shared anywhere.
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